Hi, I'm fairly new here and have been enjoying the threads.
I decided to post this topic because of a recent conversation with some friends of mine who are lesbian.
They stated that they feel that they should still be considered lesbian even if they "like occasional dick" (I'm quoting their exact words). They all know I'm bi and I couldn't help laughing and saying "OH, so you're bi but not willing to admit it, eh?" And they all insisted (quite spiritedly I might add) that they can be "lesbian identified" and still have casual sex with men every now and again.
What do you think? Are they actually closet bi girls or is there really such a thing as lesbians who enjoy sex with men once in a while?
I decided to post this topic because of a recent conversation with some friends of mine who are lesbian.
They stated that they feel that they should still be considered lesbian even if they "like occasional dick" (I'm quoting their exact words). They all know I'm bi and I couldn't help laughing and saying "OH, so you're bi but not willing to admit it, eh?" And they all insisted (quite spiritedly I might add) that they can be "lesbian identified" and still have casual sex with men every now and again.
What do you think? Are they actually closet bi girls or is there really such a thing as lesbians who enjoy sex with men once in a while?
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Re: What do you think?
Tue, February 6, 2007 - 11:25 PMWell, I know *I* don't hold with the idea of "lesbians" who sleep with men occasionally...but that's me, and I'm a well-known pedant. :-P -
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Just the facts!
Wed, February 7, 2007 - 5:30 PMI read a recent survey and 40% of the lesbians that responded
had consensual sexual contact with a male in the previous 12 months.
So I think identity and behavior are two very different things.
I consider myself a lesbian identified bisexual, but that is based on
my background, politics etc. and I undersdtand why lesbians don't
cop to a little playing around with guys because of the stigma, and
also maybe it just didn't mean very much, they were bored or horney or high
or whatever reason they had that was just that day and not who they feel they are
For me it seems like it w
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Re: What do you think?
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 10:52 AMeh it's just a label...
from the other side, a lot of gay men occasionally want or think about having sex with women....but don't want their friends to find out they're a "traitor" lol
once again "bi" has this bad stigma, most people seem to associate the label "bi" as confused and not knowing which side of the fence you want to be on.
most psychologists agree that few people are 100% gay, or 100% strait
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Re: What do you think?
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 1:51 PMI know of a married lesbian couple(at least they were)where the more feminine of the two got caught doing things with at least one man so sometimes there is good reason for the more lesbian of the two to be concerned. Haven't seen them in a while...
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Re: What do you think?
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 4:39 PMi always thought that "bi-sexual", by definition, is sleeping with men AND women.
if they are lesbians, why don tthey just use a strap on with a girl?
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Re: What do you think?
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 10:46 PM"Fucking a man doesn't make you gay, loving a man does". Oobviously the quote was targeted at men, but you get the idea.
Maybe that's the difference? Having sex with men does not mean you automatically will have a relationship with them. I don't know, I've never done it, but I think there is a meaningful difference there for me. -
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Re: What do you think?
Sat, February 10, 2007 - 8:11 AMThat makes sense. Along those lines, I have a friend, a former physical lover, who has decided the term bi-sexual doesn't fit her as well as "bi-playful" does because she likes sexing it up and playing with girls but she doesn't feel that love connection.
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Re: What do you think?
Sat, February 10, 2007 - 10:01 AMI think what bothered me about this whole thing was the fact that these friends know that I'm 'bi' and are familiar with the judgements I get from many in the lesbian community simply because I'm honest abou the fact that I enjoy sex with men. It felt to me as though they were afraid to admit the fluidity of their own sexuality. The 'label' lesbian' was so important to them that to simply imply that thier sexuality was more than the label was offensive to them.
To me it seems they were acting as though they were ashamed of their sexuality, afraid of what their peers would think of them iif they were honest about it. Personally, I think if more people were honest about their sexuality - there would be far less stigma and judgements made about orientation of any kind.
As for the love part of it all - the term "bi-sexual" doesn't imply that one 'loves' both genders it simply describes the ability to be sexual with both genders.
I consider my sexuality fluid. I feel that Kinsey's conclusions were a fairly accurate analysis of human sexuality. I hate labels too and 'lesbian' is just as much of a confining label as any. Why insist on a label when it's obvious that our sexuality is far more expansive than that?
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Re: What do you think?
Wed, February 14, 2007 - 3:01 PMi know straight guys who have shared a woman on occaission. i wouldn't consider them bi unless they considered themselves bi. it is rare that an individual be split 50/50. there seem to be leanings in one direction or an other, and of course, that too can change.
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Re: What do you think?
Sun, February 18, 2007 - 10:22 PMOn one hand, someone who has the capacity to enjoy sex with men is clearly not 100% lesbian.
On the other hand, one has to wonder how much sense it makes to call a woman who has a 95% preference for women by the same label as someone who's split down the middle.
I usually call that category of people "homo-flexable", which has it's counter-point "hetero-flexable".
Of course, what orientation one identifies as often has as much to do with culture and societal perception as with who a person is attracted to - if not more! Which I think is pretty unfortunate. -
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Re: What do you think?
Mon, February 19, 2007 - 6:52 AM"what orientation one identifies as often has as much to do with culture and societal perception as with who a person is attracted to - if not more! Which I think is pretty unfortunate"
I agree!
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Re: What do you think?
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 1:11 PM<<I usually call that category of people "homo-flexable">>
I LIKE it! Best solution to that semantic situation I've seen so far. (Pardon the alliteration. ;-) )
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