> if it's a t girl well then they're definitely femme, lol

Don't be so sure...I've known MtF butches, too. They're rare, but they're there. In a sense you could say that they've "trans-ed" (or are "trans-ing") their sex WITHOUT doing their gender as well.

And many of the MtF TS/TG grrls I know (as opposed to the sort who would willingly attend such venues as Trannyshack, Diva's, or Asia SF) keep their image in a much more casual, if still femme, fashion most of the time. ('Cept when dressing for those special occasions, of course! ;-) ).

Don't be so quick with a generalization!

You are a sexy,intense,sweet,interesting ,intellectual,,who loves all the hot naughty ...
You sound like heaven angel..
Blessings to you,bliss day and night!
L

You are beautiful inside and out angel.!
Intelligence and compassion are such an aphrodesiac of life!As well as lovers~
Livelovelaughlearn
BlessingKisses~
Luna

Dear Goddesses~~~ONE and ALL
This wild yet passionate rant is in response to the many views of what may constitute a woman as a FEMME women?I guess it reminds me of a debate going online in a lesbian site chat room as to what constiutes a beautiful woman?I feel the same is true at time in these queastions or arguements as a disgussion.I was so frustrated I wrote a poem and posted it to over 20,000 people to remind women what they might be forgetting in this disgussion...Poetry is my little soapbox to share,,,lust,love,seduction,pain and hopefully in the best of times,,joy,growth and a shift ??
A shift to a more open , hearfelt view,,when things seem small....
From this loving libra who just want the whole world to livelovelaughlearn........
Here goes!!
Yes we as humans love to classify and stereotype ,catagorise and analize every single thing.It is our logic,our brain and our heart of instinct.Yet that view changes as time passes,as do we as people,women,spirits.
For example I may seem or appear as Femme as can be .So affectionate,bubbly,sensitive nuturing and so feminine in all beauty aspects..Allways in dresses,social butterfly,hostess w/mostess....Yet are theses things female really ,?Beside the dresses?Yet I feel as a balanced human,I need to explore sopposed (male )aspects of my personality.Or are they.Mabey just a balance to my full spectrum....Are they butchish or just behaviour that I adopt as a strong,confidant focused female?Are we not a complex ,multi faceted,full spectrum being ?Capable of many emotions,styles,textures and abitities,, to be and become,,anything?Many things at one time?We are capable of so much?We as females are truly so exceptional from our physiology ,anatomy,brain,beauty,stregnth....Must we fit into ny specific mold?Do we need to want to limit ourselves or eachother by these catagories only?
Are we not as women,,the most amazing beautiful creatures not only for our style or physical beauty but our generousity,a willingness to hold ,love,heal,give until it hurts??Fall down and die emotionally and get up to love with a whole heart again??Nomater the age or size or sopposed beauty or butch/femme type,, are not those the things we charish most in ourselves and the women we love?
I believe I feel love or see beauty in the people I hold dear because of how I love them for other qualities..This is why they also shine with beauty to me,,,How they love,,how we love .How it feels to look into this friend or lovers eyes and feel my soul so connected to theirs,,we both might cry.How she may put the car seat in the comfy place when she wants me to drive.When,,,I wake up from a nap ,,with her eyes on me so filled with love ,in the thows of passion or aross the grocerie store vegatable display...,When she brings me fresh ginger even though I ran out of it and never said it,,she just noticed ,,even though,,she doesnt eat ginger....it feels like a dream.When in the middle of the day she kissed your neck lightly and whispers you are my lifes dessert..
All the love I recieve I try to give back,ten times more, as I can,,without expectation or condition.I feel the beauty of knowing the energy goes on,passing through all of us to the world.Like prayer,,loving,compassionate and generous hearts,uniting us all..
The poems I write are about are these moments in life.The best of women I have been blessed to know and the very best of myself.I write about everything I hope to embody and give in life.Whether I have experienced it or simply wish to be the very best I can be as a woman...I might be oversimplifying a diffuclt issue for some.I hope you who read this ,see,I am just throwing out a view....It works for me,,right now...
Sometimes yes it may be sexy as hell when she straps those big black steel toed Boots on..Hiding her sexy self in tight jeans,Or is it the thigh high stillettos?Or the vitamins she bought you at the health store?Or when she brings you a her sweater on a cold morning.Or when she works on the car?OR when she cooks you cream puffs...Or when she paints her toes naked on the bed with rollers in her hair??Are these things male or female,butch of femme?Does it matter?They somtimes may be the things that do attract us ,or flip our sensual switch like no other.They are still not the reasons we love..They are just other details about whom we love.Not the whole....A small detail compared to love...
Are we a little differerant,yes,,Arent we all???I rejoice in the differances and revel in the things wet each eachother from this fact.
We are women,beautiful amazing females all.Capable of everything and anything we wish!To be and explore as we so desire.

I think at times the outer look ,the shape of things,in our society can be dwelled apon far too much.Even though,I work in the feild of beauty as an artist!!I strive to fid the balance on seeing TRUE beauty.We can loose site of our intention.The classification and analazation has become a somtimes rigid way we describe and limit ourselves in a way we may never have intended,,simply to explain and describe who we are,what we like...What we want...
I am learning myself in this way.Extreme growth and change in the last 2 years,has been a gift ,,yet difficult..Enlightening to be sure..On what are the words to describe me?Do I fit a type?Do I need to?
What has helped me ,is to see the beauty in all people,whatever the context.Is the look for the strength,the beauty inside of all people.Each person,thier journey,seperate path and the willpower we all must have to go on in our own unique way.Survive and learn from life,doing the very best we can.That is beautiful and we all do this in a differant way..We are spectacular creatures ,one and all.
As a maiden of Goddess worship and the spiritual focus on enlightenment through feminine energy of the earth,nature and the mother of all,,,,,,,,,
,I see all women as powerful,beautiful,transendant creatures....
The beauty we see in others we share and grow from within.
It is compassion to see the strength within the weakness.In ouselves and in all.
The light within the dark.
The sweet within the sour.
To look for balance in ourselfes first,blessing others with the wish they find the same.
Beauty and balance surface and within.Living and loving ,above and below!
Is any of this Butch or Femme?Bi-sexual/lesbian?
Yes we will allways analize and ,catagorise and I will suffer to find balance with my heart as well as my curious intectual mind to listen to my heart,remember what is important.
See what is beautiful,inside and out....

Thanks for reading,suffering my spelling and opening your heart.
Blessed be all.
Livelovelaughlearn
Luna


~~~~~~~~~She~~~~~~~~~
She is an angel I do adore,her spirit ,body and mind.
She is a woman I appreciate,loving,unique and kind.
She is genuine to her center,she gives love to all she knows.
She is a female Goddess incarnate for whom my love still grows.
She shares deeply with her friends,inside open loving arms.
She treasures her beloved,with her sweet infectious charm.
She speaks from her heart ,with intention to cause no harm.
She notices the light in life, where others may see dark.
She listens to all others,a reseptive ear she allways gives.
She holds her self to integrity ,with wich she strives to live.
She has suffered injustice,yet turned experience into strength.
She is a gentle whisper or deafening truth without length.
She shares sweet compassion, as she gives her heart to love.
She a dearest gift of our Goddess ,as below so now above.
She is beautiful and spectacular,sensual and dear her youth.
She has the best intentions each day, of all the Goddess truth.
She is dark as the turbulent sea,or as light as a ray of sun.
She is as she needs to be,as life calls her she does not run.
I see patience in her ways,contemplation in her quiet.
I see fire in her eyes and the passion driven pilot.
She is an amazing Goddess,in every breath she takes.
She is the ultimate maiden beauty,fertility and grace.
I see her inner balance,she searches for each day.
I respect her in all things,her loving sister ways.
Blessed are her friends,she is a sister sweet for whom I Pray.
She be a constant in my life ,forever ,allways and today.

Luna

Forgive me for taking an opposing stance, but I don't think all women were "meant" to be pretty and feminine as you suggest. People are amazingly different. So much so, that you can't judge another for "making themselves different than they are meant to be." How do you know that's not what their wiring/genetics/disorders make them to be what they are meant to be? Plus what we are meant to be is a choice, and often people are afraid to make hard choices.

*rant over*

Personally, I prefer femmes. But I certainly appreciate those who aren't, and enjoy people who aren't because each has their own beauty.