so sick of "bi" stigma

topic posted Tue, February 14, 2006 - 8:19 PM by  lizabat
ok so I'm bi. people automatically assume.
1. that I'll do it with just about anyone
2. that that means that I automatically want to have a three way with them and their woman/man
3. that I'm poly
4. that I'm bi to get attention from guys

does anyone else have these problems with other people's stereotypes of bi?
and if you tell a guy you're lez you ever have them try to challange it? like some cock who says "I'll MAKE her like dick!"
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lizabat
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    Re: so sick of "bi" stigma

    Tue, February 14, 2006 - 10:06 PM
    OMG!! I HATE it when people do this type of thing. It happens WAY too much. Such ignorant people, i swear!

    I mean.... a straight person isn't expected to just have sex with anything that moves. And they aren't challenged, and they don't have people trying to convince them that they are gay. yeah, its just retarded!
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      Wed, February 15, 2006 - 9:59 AM
      I hear ya - although I've been known to retort by pointing out that becuase I like boys *and* girls, I have a wider range of possibilities, not narrower, and I can be "as picky as I wanna be". ;)

      If it's any consolation, I think it's harder for bi boys than bi girls - the reigning assumption is that bi boys are just gay boys in denial. Sigh....
      Ms. K
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        Wed, February 15, 2006 - 11:26 AM
        This all sounds so familiar, just throw in that I live in a very narrow minded state. Being any kinda of different is cause for them to think that I am easy and trouble. I hate it, but I like the thought of telling them that I have a wider range to choose from and that I can be picky, thanks for that.
        Brigid
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        Wed, February 15, 2006 - 11:41 AM
        > If it's any consolation, I think it's harder for bi boys than bi girls - the reigning
        > assumption is that bi boys are just gay boys in denial. Sigh....

        I dunno...I think there might be more pressure on the bi boys to "choose an orientation"...and most likely FROM the gay boys (who naturally all want them to be gay! :-P )...but I also think that the stereotype with bi women inclines many (lesbians...but mostly of the vanilla variety, I find...especially included, I fear) to also think that they're going to "settle on men" instead of women or simply staying bloody BI.

        Well, not this femmey-dyke...I'm very supportive of my bi sistahs! (Well, except for the "trendy-bi's" who actually ARE just fronting for a 3some with "their man". You know the ones I mean. :-P )
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    Wed, February 15, 2006 - 11:38 AM
    You know...at least in the circles I run in (kinky geeks and leatherwomen mostly) bi awareness is pretty high.

    If it helps, Liz, it does seem that these stereotypes are fading, albeit slowly.

    *hugs*

    Of course, MY bi primary WILL do anyone, totally craves the 3-ways, is poly, and only uses me to make the boys look her way! *snif*

    I kid, of course. ;-)

    She is poly, tho. (But so am I and I'm a lesbian!) :-P
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      Thu, February 16, 2006 - 8:33 AM
      Sonya's right - the poly and geek circles do tend to be a bit more accepting, which also works well since it's a couple of the crowds I'm drawn to anyway....

      But yeah, I wish people could realize that there are folks that have been, and always will be desirous beyond gender lines, and that's just the way it is.

      <<Of course, MY bi primary WILL do anyone, totally craves the 3-ways, is poly, and only uses me to make the boys look her way! *snif*>>

      Ya know Sonya, I'm with your girl - there really *is* nothing better than some 3-way lovin.... if I had my way I'd have a lifetime of it.... but I digress... and it's getting suddenly warm in here...
      -K
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        Tue, March 28, 2006 - 1:01 PM
        Hey, I love the 3somes, 4somes, and more-somes, too...as long as there aren't any boys involved. :-P

        (Not even "no penises"...girls who just happen to have those are fine, too!)
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    Sun, February 26, 2006 - 7:36 PM
    Tell me about it. I was pretty open about my sexuality when I was in high school, which resulted in every Tom, Dick, and Harry trying to get me in a 3some with him and his girlfriend. Eventually, I just found it so insulting. I mean, my sexuality exists for MY pleasure, not theirs! And I've known people that got shit from the gay community as well, which for me is worse in a way because they know what the pain their inflicting feels like.
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    Tue, March 28, 2006 - 10:40 AM
    lizabat,

    I really sympathize with you but let me give you some insight on why there is kind of a Bi backlash.

    It is very "fashionable" for the younger ladies to be "bi" now, for all the wrong reasons. I wont go into this rant but it is very hard with these types running around for sincere bi's to get taken seriously.

    As soom as this fad is over I am sure things will get better for you!

    Autum_Witch
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      Tue, March 28, 2006 - 7:08 PM
      oh I know, it's the "cool" thing to do, and it's "ok" for men to presure their girlfriends into having a threesome these days........
      people just sux in general.
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        Tue, March 28, 2006 - 8:04 PM
        that's why I'm not one of your Earth "people". :-P
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          Thu, April 13, 2006 - 2:15 PM
          when word of me being Bi first got out, people that wouldn't even talk to me or hang out with me were all of a sudden coming up to me. Asking if I had any friends that were interested in getting together with me and them. People just assume that since your bisexual your always horny, wett and ready to do anything. Which isn't true people are just so narrow minded and unintelligent , it's like they here that one little word BISEXUAL they don't even think of anything else. That just take that word and run with. Thinking oh ok she's open to it, she'll have no problem, she bi oh then that mean s she's got to be a freak. Wrong. I wish everyone in general would just grow up.
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    Mon, April 17, 2006 - 9:09 PM
    Funny how the exact same things seem to apply to we of the less typical gender designations! Making friends can be such a challenge when so many people, usually men or other transgender individuals, assume that being dolled up means being on the prowl for sex from anything that moves! Can't drinks and dancing in gothy threads be just that? If it is/could be more, I'd so love a natural evolution of that possibility from people. ~_~
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      Tue, April 18, 2006 - 1:02 AM
      I think those anti-bi attitudes come from an older generation of separatist (self-isolating) ideas. I usually just ask them whay they have problems with sexual orentation issues, and remind them that some people can have the best of both worlds.
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        Tue, April 18, 2006 - 10:24 AM
        I don't know about that...I think a lot of lesbian women genuinely feel uneasy sharing someone important with them, either physically and concurrently or else in more of a "potential way", with men. I don't think that's invalid...but I also don't think that's any reason to think that bi women are somehow bad.

        I know that, at this point, having felt what for me is a very nasty emotional sting from being left, dropped, or "demoted" in a couple of primary relationships now for men, I'm not willing to risk that again. My non-primary lovers...OK, no problem. But I'm not as invested with them as I am with my primary.

        Is this "anti-bi", tho? Or is it just protecting myself from a very real possibility, even if it means holding some women who may be absolutely wonderful at emotional "arm's length"?

        One has to realize that there are as many reasons for lesbians to be hesitant with bi women as women who feel that way, just like there are as many ways to be bi as there are bisexual people...that it's not all blanket prejudice, but sometimes bitter experience that makes one feel "twice shy". In my experience, none of this (or very little, anyway) has to do with older "separatist" notions. The Camp Sister Spirits and MichFests of the world are pretty much relics at this point. (Where are my asbestos undies for that one? ;-) )

        I mean, maybe I'm just out of touch, existing as I do within very kinky, bi-friendly women's spaces...maybe the vanilla-dyke world out there is completely different. But my experience, both internally with myself and externally with others has never been one of "bi women are bad people" (since anyone who thinks that is a blithering idiot!)...but rather, "I just can't go there, no matter how wonderful she is...it hurts/scares me too much."
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          Tue, April 18, 2006 - 8:49 PM
          gosh this is something else...i am bi and not ashamed at all about it...i have been in open relationships where we all kept our freedom and at the same part explored with others. i have been into monogamous and also abstinent...
          I think that for me and a lot of other women i know who are BI, to us it is about the person not the gender. that being involved with one person and have sex with one person isn't an issue...the issue is more like if you have fuck bodies, well in a way, you have one, and you might have another one of another gender.t his people might never meet but they do know that there are others...DOes this makes me a bad woman, a bad human being, not!@ I am not interrested in Menage a 3, or threesome (Not that it is bad but it isn';t my thing) but so far, i didn't meet any one that is partnership material...so even though i would love to have a partner someday, i am a free woman so who cares who i fuck as long as i am honest and use protections....I will never feel ashamed of being me and will always walk my head up@
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            Sun, November 5, 2006 - 8:08 PM
            OMG you have expressed my sentiments exactly. i am so sick of people asking me if I'm confused. I love because I love and if it's a woman it's a woman if it's a man than it's a man.
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      Tue, October 31, 2006 - 4:47 AM
      I agree with you on this one. It drives me crazy how one dimensional people are in their thinking, in general, not just about sexuality. The reverse can be true about what appearance says to people as well. For what ever reason, people look at my face and see "innocent". It doesn't matter what I wear, or that I was born looking like this and don't have any control over it, almost everyone I have ever met sums me up as an innocent girl next door type, even though I am actually one of the most perverted, kinky people they likely know. I just happen to be a nice person as well.

      Don't get me wrong, I am not actually complaining because the way I look has accorded me a huge amount of halo bias in my life, and allowed me to get away with a lot of shit when I was younger. It is just an observation that I have made. People focus on singular facets of others, and they just can't accept that most of us are multi-dimensional and even have sometimes have conflicting interests, and desires.
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    Sun, April 23, 2006 - 6:02 PM
    yes acctually....i get the challange all the time....then i look at my self 85% lez...and 15% st8 ......
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      Sun, April 23, 2006 - 8:34 PM
      i know! it's like people just can't understand that our sexuality IS secure and exists for US and not them.
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        Fri, May 5, 2006 - 1:26 AM
        We are all human...

        Im tired of people obsessing over labels. All that matters is that we are kind to others.

        We are all human...

        Even though we forget this, due to geographical locale's. It has been, and always will be different to be a human from America... then a human from Rwanda!

        We are the same, yet so different.
        This world has many troubles, and yes sexuality is one of them.

        Humble yourself every day... by saying:
        "I have been better off."
        "I have been worse off" .... but IM ALIVE!

        Experiencing, living, loving....
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    Wed, May 10, 2006 - 3:27 PM
    I hear your frusteration and have expirienced it, even being a "femme" lez is difficult. I hate the "challenge" from men.. hate it. I think its due to that movie "chasing amy".
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      Sun, May 21, 2006 - 10:16 PM
      I don't think that Men challenge bi women because of a movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      people challenged me mostly female friends and that is a transfer of their own shit they deal with...actually straight men most of them are turned on by bi women! go out and do a poll...you will be surprised!!!!!!!!!!!
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        Mon, May 22, 2006 - 5:55 PM
        that's the problem, they are turned on by bi women because they want a threesome so they think hey bonus. they don't understand that you can be bi and monogomus.
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          Tue, May 23, 2006 - 8:23 PM
          Well i don't think that they are all like that...i met guys who wanted to have sex with me only if there was another women and i told them to shove it...i met men who were fine w/me being bi and we had a one on one relationship...i met women who are so afraid that you will leave them for a man that they put you in a little tiny box before they get to know you...wich one is worse???
          I am all against labels myself and i do agree that we can be Bi and monogamous or be bi and Abstinent like currently in my case! Cheers@!
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    Mon, February 5, 2007 - 9:30 PM
    with you all the way on this one...primarily attracted to girls,(women) but didn't baste to have my kids and am not repulsed by sex with men.
    but mention that you're bi and either the four reactions that you gave arise...or this one, from lesbians usually: you must be non-committal and flighty...so sad that being open to loving physically -without necessarily having regard to gender- is allocated to the terminally weird part of the spectrum...being rejected by lesbians (for not being true enough to the sisterhood) and by straight folk (for being 'one of them')
    is bad enough...the added stigmas that people associate with the 'bi' of us seems so unenlightened...expected reaction from straight folk, of course, but really, this kind of reaction from queer folk is totally beneath them
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    Mon, February 26, 2007 - 10:24 AM
    I'm sick of it, too. Or you aren't considered by real lesbian communities as loving girls just because you also find certain men attractive! I get those labels a lot- slut, trash, tramp- do it with anyone- attention grabber. Ugh. People need to just lighten up!
    Love
    Gem

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